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Hart Rifle Barrels - 1690 Apulia Rd, LaFayette, New York 13084 - Rated 4.9 based on 24 Reviews 'When I think of craftsmanship, precision, accuracy. We offer pre-fit drop-in Savage Criterion barrels and pre-fit drop-in Savage Shilen barrels ready to go in various contours. We are pioneers in the shooting industry with the introduction of our Remage barrels that are pre-fit Remington replacement barrels for Remington 700 rifles.
If you look at a douglas barrel with a bore scope it will scare you. A green mountain looks much much better. They both shoot very well. Have you fellows ever heard of Ron Smith?
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I think he makes the best barrels now. Ive been using one for about six years.
It was rough when new, but after fifty shots it started shooting less than one inch groups at 200 yards. It wont do it at matches for some reason. I think a serious lead bullet shooter should buy the best barrel, even if it is costly. I did not see anyone mention Douglas is button rifled.
I think but don't know for sure that Green Mt is cut rifled.Button rifling produces a nice smooth barrel that does not need lapping. It also means the barrels from a button will be very consistent. Not to say that cut barrels cannot be smooth and consistent too but generaly then need some hand finishing and carefull maching to get that way.All my CF single shot barrels are Douglas so cannot make any comparison. However In Rimfire Rifles I have a number of barrels. Douglas, Anschutz, Kimber, US Springfield, Marlin, Winchester and have had Mossbergs, Stevens, Remingtons and others. All with different methods of rifling, The Douglas, Anschutz and Springfiled 1922 are noticably smoother and better finished than the factory rifles.
Are they more accurate? Who iknows.Boats. If my memory is correct (which can be debated) large bore GM barrels are cut rifled and the smaller ones are button rifled and the break point may be at 38 cal.
At least this is the way it was a couple years back-I think.Steve Durren has a rebarrelling project for me that involves a 22rf barrel for the ASSRA 22 rf matches and he recommended that we go with a GM barrel. I trust his recommendation. Of course he probably also figured the money for a Hart, Lija, Kreiger barrel would be wasted on my skills-though I have heard him recommend GM barrels to other, much better, shooters too. I queried GM about their barrels and got the following response. I'm cutt'n and past'n it here as a general FYI. I guess that you'd have to ask them specifically about a specific barrrel when you order since some of the cartridge types use cut rifling-sharps-type if I understand him correctly.Mr StilesRegarding Green Mountain barrels and the rifling types used.
We use cutrifling in patched round ball style muzzleloader barrels requiring very deepgrooves to engage the patch. We have also used this method on some of the'Sharps' style barrels as well as most 50 caliber BPCR barrels. In fasttwist modern muzzleloading and on most BPCR barrels we use button rifling.The cut rifling method we use is a single point type that requires multiplepasses of a single cutting tool to gain the depth required. Our buttonrifling process uses a 'pull' type TiN coated solid carbide button, areverse swage die if you will, to impart the rifling into the steel. Thebuttoned barrels are thermally stress relieved at 1050F in a nitrogenatmosphere furnace prior to machining. All barrels, button or cut, areturned on center prior to machining octagon.
The barrels are then stressrelieved again after turning and prior to the machining operation. After thebarrels are machined to profile they are stress relieved a final time.ThanksRick SanbornNote:F= FahrenheitTiN = Titanium NitrideThe barrel steel is 4140 chrome moly. I've used all three types of tuliped GM octagon barrels, and I really like the shape of their light octagons intended for the lever guns. These tulips on the lighter bbls were not planned, according to Rick Sanborn the head honcho @ GM, but rather are the serendipitous result of the machining setup.
These lever gun barrels are almost the same size as a Win #1 taper, only a small difference, and the tulip makes a very attractive transition between the bbl and the receiver ring. A #1-taper forearm works fine with this barrel on a low wall, but the tulip itself is unfortunately slightly too large to be retained on a Martini Cadet.The larger BPCR bbl tulips are not nearly as attractive IMO, the round portion is usually a little too small for best looks in the #3 & #4 sizes.The Sharps-taper bbls OTOH look like the originals, extremely attractive. Right now I'm holding in my hands an original 1874 Sharps with 30' octagon tuliped breech, and the bbl shape looks identical to the GM Sharps bbl I put on a friend's 1874 rifle last year. The flats of GM bbls require very little polishing as compared to some other octagons I've used. I like 'em.Good luck, Joe.
Older Benchmark barrels were, and are, successful but seem to have fallen out of favor. I never did really care for them, and they are the tightest barrel I've ever seen. Lilja used to be my barrel of choice. I have an XP with one of the best Lilja barrels ever made in my opinion. But, while I believe they are quite capable, they don't seem to be producing the best BR barrels right now. I don't guess they really need to.
However, if I was getting a barrel for an Anschutz 2013, I would go with Lilja because of the drop-in capability.I have a rifle with a Shilen barrel and I think its one of the best rifles around. If I could shoot it to its potential, I would be tough. It's a prime example of a rifle making the shooter look good. I guess the question I have there is the Shilen quality still there. It could be better, I don't know.
But I think they are good barrels. I also have a rifle with the first Broughton 4C and you've seen what Bill does with a 4C that has a scratched bore. I have a friend with a Broughton 5C and it is one heck of a barrel. It makes even him look good (sometimes).
Just kidding Foster. The Broughton is also the best finished barrels I have seen when initially received.
They just look good, and that tells me Mr. North pays attention to detail and takes pride in his work. It seems several gunsmiths have had problems chambering the 5C, and that includes Bill Calfee.
Of course, Bill now has a five fluted reamer. Some gunsmiths don't seem to have that issue, and I would sure like to hear from one who knows how to solve that issue.That leaves Rock Creek. Either I can't find it, or their website gives scant information. In my opinion, and it is just my opinion, they offer too many variations and are hard to understand.
Maybe I've just not been able, or motivated enough, to get enough information on them. I do not like the Medford (I believe that's the name) after seeing the lead wash from a slug, but I believe they do produce good barrels. Cut or buttoned does not matter to me, but they promise a very good lap and that matters.So, there you go.
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If I ordered a barrel today, it would be one of those three, and right now I lean towards the Broughton. Hi Wallace,Thanks for the reply and advice - much appreciatedBottom line is that it is for us, it's a 'flip of the coin' deal and at best, we can only hope and pray that we get a good one sent.I'll do some homework and have another look at Broughton to understand the differences e.g.
Between 4C and 5C but as suggested - at the end-of-the-day, I understand that some people like BMW and some like old Chevvy's - not that any Aussi understands the fascination you guys seem to have with 'trucks', that being honest -we just don't get!! Or maybe it's just a movie thing.Thanks againCary. Right now there are lots of good barrels. Hi Kent,Congratulations on the IR5050 wins and the incredible scores that you've shot - man. That's impressive. Well done.Kent, I really appreciate the time and good sense you've shown - thanks.I can certainly understand the 'buy what's winning' thought process but clearly - and we all understand - there's so much more to it than just buying one component.From what I've read (from a land, far, far away) I still have a (personal) preference for the Benchmark but will look into the Rock Creek as maybe I should be listening to someone who's got a 'dozen or so of 'em' Yee Gods man!!! That makes me jealous!!
Maybe I can move in with you!!And in answer to the question 'how high is up?' , the answer is - when it's out of my reach!!Thanks againCaryLast edited by Aussiflyer; at 05:41 AM. Cary,Thanks for the congrats, I wasn't meaning to brag, but trying to point out that Benchmark barrels was still turning out great barrels for those that didn't know. Statistics are there to prove it.Now, I did not keep all those barrels for myself, several of them went on friends rifles. Although I do have several personal barrels on hand, 3 Shilens, 2 Liljas, and probably 8 or 10 Benchmarks. A man told me when I started into rimfire BR to make sure I always had another good barrel on hand, because the waiting time is usually 8-12 weeks. He knew I hated to waitI've been at this rimfire game a while now, and like to try different things.
I try to keep an open mind and experiment with new things, and sometimes that's tough to do. That's been the fun part of it for me. I'd just about as soon work on the rifles as shoot them. But lately I've tired of that as well.
Oh well, it's Winter. Maybe I'll have a renewed interest in the Spring. Thanks for all the replies. I know its not a simple matter of this one or that one as it takes more than just a great barrel to have a great shooter. Just looking to improve my shooting and figure one of these days I'll going to have to break down and start getting a nice shooter together. Thanks againGo with either broughton 5-c or a Shilen ratchet.P.S.
I am not saying a benchmark isnt a great barrel but if you look at the major matches in the last two years the two I quote won everything.Last edited by MikeCameron; at 10:52 AM.Reason: add p.s. Right now there are lots of good barrels.